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Did God forsake Jesus?

Did God ever Forsake Jesus? Consider these words of Jesus on the Cross, “Eli Eli lama sabachthani?” These words translated are “My God, my God why have you forsaken me?” Did God the Father abandon or forsake Jesus on the Cross? Did the Eternal Father of the Eternal Son really pronounce him accursed? Is it possible that the same Father who declared, “This is my beloved Son in whom my soul delights.” really turned his back on Jesus so that he suffered alone and isolated in his hour of greatest need? Much has been written about this subject so let me throw in on the matter. Let’s look at what the Bible has to say and let our minds be conformed to the mind of Christ .

If we begin with the character and nature of God we will see a clear answer to this question.

Is it possible that the Father forsook Jesus?

Is it possible that the Father forsook Jesus?

In John 1:1 we read; “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God.” The Greek word for with in this passage indicates a face-to-face, personal, and intimate relationship. Jesus and his Father have eternally been in this intimate face-to-face relationship in the communion of the Holy Spirit. There has never been a time when the Father, Son, and Spirit have not been in intimate loving relationship. The Triune God exists as relationship and is Love. The Father, Son, and Spirit know no other way to be toward one another than to be as Love.

On the Cross Jesus is executing a rabbinic exercise where the teacher begins to quote a Psalm and the congregants there finish it. Jesus is quoting Psalm 22 which begins “My God my God why have you forsaken me?” The Psalm does not end in defeat it ends in victory. The point made by Jesus is victory not defeat or having been forsaken.

Also who is Jesus’ God? What God does Jesus worship? Well Jesus does not have a God he is God with the Father and the Spirit so just on that point alone the idea that Jesus is literally telling us that the Father has forsaken him cannot be accurate.  In I Corinthians 12:3 Paul says, “Therefore, I want you to understand that no one speaking by the Spirit of God ever says, ‘Let Jesus be cursed!” I would hazard a guess that God the Father speaks by the Spirit. It is not the Father who put Jesus to death on the Cross… it was us. (Heb. 12:3) Consider II Corinthians 5:19 “…that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself…” The word for in there really means in. In John 14:20 Jesus says, “In that day you will know that I am in my Father and you are in me and I am in you.” Jesus and the Father mutually indwell one another and the Holy Spirit is facilitating this relationship at all times.

Some argue that because Jesus took on our sin God the Father had to turn his back on him because God cannot have any part with sin. Let us never forget that Jesus is God- co-equal with the Father and the Spirit.  If God can have no fellowship with sin how did Jesus eat with sinners, become human, and finally take on all of our sin!

Also ponder this… there is a politician I know of that is on his third marriage. When he married wife number one he said, “I’ll never leave you nor forsake you.” Then he cheated on wife number one with the woman who would become wife number two. When he married wife number two he said, “I’ll never leave you nor forsake you.” Then he cheated on wife number two with the woman who would become wife number three. When he married wife number three he said, “I’ll never leave you nor forsake you.” Well neither wife number two nor three have any basis on which to believe him because of what he has actually done. He has proven that he will in fact leave and forsake. So if the Eternal Father of Jesus would leave and forsake him in his hour of greatest need how can we ever believe that he will never leave nor forsake us?

Let me say with clarity and determination… God the Father most certainly did not forsake Jesus on the Cross and Jesus did not say that he did. This Father’s Day as we celebrate all that is good about our dads let us put away in our hearts, minds, and in our Faith the blasphemous notion that Jesus’ Father ever turned his back on him and let us celebrate that he will never turn his back on us!

~ Bill Winn

Friends with Benefits?

                One of the hazards of having a Netflix membership is that you feel like you have to watch movies that you wouldn’t necessarily pay to see in a movie theater.  If it says “Romantic Comedy,” then sign me up.

Most recently we watched a movie called “No Strings Attached.”  This movie is about a couple of acquaintances who decide to have sex (as a business-sort of arrangement) without actually having a relationship.  This theme mirrors another recent theater release (“Friends with Benefits), and according to what I’ve read in the news, the idea of friends/acquaintances having sex without any sort of commitment is commonplace among the 20-something generation. 

This idea of sexual intimacy without relational intimacy bothers me.  Call me old-fashioned, but the idea of sex without love sounds animalistic.  If anything, our ability to have relationship with those with whom we have sexual intimacy makes us different from animals.

I think the issue comes down to the fact that we were created for relationship, first and foremost.  The Father, Son, and Spirit didn’t need to create us.  They were enjoying their relationship with each other so much that they wanted to share it.  Think of a deeply in love, married couple who decides to have a child.  They want to share their love for each other with that child.  When I picture the Triune God making the decision to create Adam and Eve, I see them enjoying their relationship with each other so much that they wanted to share it.  They didn’t create humanity to fill a need, but they wanted to create to share the joy and laughter they were already experiencing.

Since humanity was created out of relationship, sex without true intimacy will never satisfy our hearts’ longing.  I Corinthians 6:16-19 says:

“There’s more to sex than mere skin on sin.  Sex is as much spiritual mystery as physical fact.  As written in Scripture, ‘The two become one.’  Since we want to become spiritually one with the Master, we must not pursue the kind of sex that avoids commitment and intimacy, leaving us more lonely than ever –the kind of sex that can never ‘become one.’  There is a sense in which sexual sins are different from all others.  In sexual sin we violate the the sacredness of our own bodies, these bodies that were made for God-given and God-modeled love, for ‘becoming one’ with another.  Or didn’t you realize that your body is a sacred place, the place of the Holy Spirit?”  (The Message).

                The best part of the movie “No Strings Attached” (and I assume the same is true of “Friends with Benefits”) is that the main characters realize their mistake and end up making a commitment.  I only hope this is true in real life for those who think that such an arrangement would be a win-win for everybody.  The bottom line is this:  humanity was created for intimacy and relationship, and anything that goes against that will only lead to loneliness and heartbreak.  It’s like gravity:  you can challenge it but it will always win.

~by Nan Kuhlman

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